Progress on the Creator

SoundSet Creator
#138

Being a Supersyrin subscriber grants full access to all soundsets and therefore all samples, about 27,000 of them. So when we continue to pay for the subscription we are not just paying to be able to hear our own sounds we are also paying to be able to use all of the sounds created and utilised by the Syrinscape team.

I understand that a lot of people would like to pay a one of fee and be able to keep and use their own sounds off the server. At the same time we have to take into consideration that the creator was built to give us access to the full catalog as well as our own additions. We have to remember that we all want different things from this app and to be able to use it in different ways but we also have to take into consideration it’s purpose and the costs involved in running it.

I suppose a big question would be how long does a account remain active? If someone cancelled their sub because a game was over how long would they have to renew before their content was deleted? And more importantly could we pay a smaller sub amount to keep the account open.

Personally it make much more sense for me to keep my sub active and therefore own all of the new releases but I know that’s not possible for everyone. If releases get back up to the rate that they were before work on the creator began then the sub is far better value than individual purchases. And with the creator then then the usability of the app is pretty much unlimited.

#139

Hi all, good discussion of good points.
And yes, stay nice everyone.

I reckon this:

  1. The stuff you build will NEVER be deleted from our server
  2. to access it you’ll need ANY level of sub.
  3. that’ll include a new Server Only sub at $5 per month.
  4. So in @yosefnbender’s senario he could take a 6 month break paying nothing and then pay another $5 to light all his home made SoundSets up again

The Creator was VERY expensive to develop, and just maintaining the servers and support and creating new content takes a large team, so to stay viable we need to come up with a pricing structure that covers cost and keeps Syrinscape amazing.

I hope that all makes a bit of sense?!? :smile:

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#140

One of our probs is this situation:

  1. @NaughtyPerson Subscribes to SuperSyrin
  2. Uses the Creator to duplicate all the content on the server
  3. Uploads all this content as their own
  4. Cancels sub
  5. Has access to everything we ever made forever for $20

Sooo… we could stop this by some tricky programming and comparisons, or having a team compare uploaded content with homemade stuff OR we could release a separate version of the Creator with no server access and no access to content.

BUT all this takes dev time and money (which then takes away from other things)

There are a LOT of really GREAT things we want to do with Syrinscape (online remote control, voice changing, rich community, lawn mowing capability) that in the end we have to pick our priorities… and hopefully we can come up with a pattern that helps the MOST people possible have the best possible gaming experience through their-own-imaginations PLUS high-quality-immersive-sound-at-the-table.

Thinks?

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#141

*ducking arrows

@serge369 @nax_9230 @ikabodo @ocir98

*The sound of GREAT DOORS OPENING

“ACCESS HAS BEEN GRANTED MORTALS”

#142

Oh great magnanimous and ominpotent Friend Computer! This is your LOYAL and non-mutant non-commie RED Troubleshooter seeking permission to have access to the SuperSyrin Creator app, provided I have proper security clearance for it.

The Computer is our friend.

Ben, I have had the pleasure of chatting with you the last two years at Paizo-Con. I am the screeches for the Grioth in the Dragon’s Demand released last summer (winter to you). That was a lot of fun.
Robert “Frostrazor”

#143

Probationary access has been @Frostrazor but know this. WE are watching you! Our laser guns are trained on your soft bits! One false move and you’ll be another clone down!!!

(Note the credit in the new “Grioth Battle” SoundSet. THANKS so much for your weird vocal abilities! :dragon:)

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#144

Security access is coded orange, please specify how knowledge was obtained. Unauthorised knowledge of the beta will result in clone termination

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#145

Thanks for that. I just looked at the pack, and saw the nod, I appreciate that. :slight_smile: Very nice recognition. I watched the video and holy crap does that sound horrible wicked awful frightening!!! LOVE IT.
Hope to see you there again next year.

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#146

I would like access to the SoundSet Creator as well please.

#147

Done @Azazelbishop

Have fun with it! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

#148

Although I appreciate all the work Benjamin has done on all the sounds sets and have purchased a few of them. I will custom build every one of my sets for my specific campaign and different board games I play, I’ve been using sound in role-playing for 35 years now. I don’t mind sharing and letting my work be used by others, I don’t mind my work being on a server but I want my work also for myself on my computer. I have over 3000 sound effects files that I have painstakingly saved for the last 30 years I have my own, I was one of the first people to use RPG mixer a German RPG effects recorder and player and and promoted that product at gaming conventions, but now it’s folded. I have seen a lot of RPG companies come and go that had bright hope and promise but are not here today so I believe my perspective has the wisdom of years of observation.

I also invested quite a bit of money into the Game Excillis which was a computer moderated miniatures game that the company insisted had to be accessed only through a server, now the company went belly up and took down their server so after spending thousands of dollars on the game I simply can’t play it,why because the game was server dependent, such systems often fail in the real world . What happens if Benjamin dies tomorrow, falls in love with and Elven Princess who takes him off to a land far away or the dozens and dozens of things that happen in everyday life that change the course of things ? There’s lots of reasons why this company my not be here tomorrow. if I have a program and my own files I’ll be sad but I’ll still be able to use my work in gaming.

What I hear from Benjamin reply is that I can put together my content with a subscription and then use the player to play it during the gaming session. Do I have to be on the net to accomplish playing the files? and I have to pay five dollars to do that correct?.

What I would feel very comfortable with is if at least i can download my own files on my computer and play them from my computer without having to access the server. All His content and shared content of others can be accessed only by the server. and I don’t mind uploading my content to the server for others to use. I want and somtinme need to be able to take my laptop to a place with no iternet and play my sound sets, I don’t think that’s asking too much. It would be nice if someday the recorder was also available off-line for purchase and I hope that will be considered at some point. if I know I can play my own stuff anywhere then I will support this company .

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#149

Yes to this , I would be happy just making my own stuff

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#150

Hopefully you’ve contacted screaming bee voice moeph, I talked to them years ago about developing a RPG specific voice changing skin that would plug into things like Realm Works, programs where you could press on the NPC and it would automatically change your voice to that character. I do a lot of pre-recording NPC character monologues using the voice morphing so at the appropriate time I can just play that file I also have a narrator voice, and use my voice for meta-gaming discussions. Voice morphing would be a wonderful addition and bring in a whole other set of users, as predominantly the community that uses screaming Bee, is the online gaming community.

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#151

I completely agree with yosefnbender. I profoundly dislike the subscription model. 120$/year is far more than services like spotify that gives you for the same money. I’ll gladly pay 120$ up front for a real license. I don’t understand why there isn’t a mixed model (subscription and ultimate license) like people at fantasy grounds do.

And to be honest, I purchased a supersyrin subscription to have a working creator that lets me upload my own files for my personal use. Having to send the files to the program creator to have them uploaded defeats even the purpose of beta testing, because as it stands now, you have to send finished content instead of your own silly testing, in order to not annoy ben.

And to this:
“1) The stuff you build will NEVER be deleted from our server”

Paraphrasing Anthony McAuliffe, “Nuts!”

#152

Hi Benjamin, I’m back after a long break, may I have access to the sound creator, please?

#153

120$/year is far more than services like Spotify

Wot?! $120/year is precisely the same as Spotify!
And once you stop subscribing to Spotify you never get to keep anything at all!

In June we released 8 SoundSets at a value of $31.92
Subscribers who paid $10 in June get permanent ownership of these SoundSets.
I think that sounds like a great deal to me.
PLUS you get full use of the Creator.

What is “Nuts!” about us keeping your stuff safe on our server in case after a break of subscribing, you want to activate it again?!?

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#154

@yosefnbender

Uploading to the server is just so the stuff you build becomes like any other SoundSets you have access to and can be downloaded onto your other devices. You can play the thing you build within the Creator without uploading them.

You only need web access in Syrinscape to download new content.

You’ll be able to play the stuff you have built on your iPad (or other non creator device) without web access, just like you can with any regular Syrinscape SoundSet.

The public will NOT have access to the content you build, unless you specifically propose that it be made Community Content, and it is approved.

Sense makes?

#155

@advalencia Access has been granted! :smile:

#156

Closing this topic.

Ask for Creator access here:
https://forum.syrinscape.com/t/ask-for-creator-access-here/1002

Discuss pricing and access here:
https://forum.syrinscape.com/t/discuss-pricing-and-access-plans-here/1003

#157